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I am sorry Sridama, I have committed a great offense towards you. I did not know you were Srimati Radharani's older brother. I only knew you were Krishna's friend. Radharani loves Krishna more than she loves her very life, and you are only helping Krishna to meet Radharani or whatever He wants. I don't know why I was so angry at you, I just thought you were favoring Krishna. But Radharani herself favors HIm.
I have only myself to blame. I read a book once a long time ago, called the Uddhava Sandesh, and it gave me the feeling I could become a blade of grass to be trampled on by the gopis. But am I equal to Uddava? No. Just because he is that qualified doesn't mean I am ever going to be.
Similarly all of the gopis and sakhis and manjaris are expansions of Srimati Radharani, aren't they? What makes me hink I will ever be qualified to be one of them? For that matter why am I drawn to serving Radharani instead of Krishna? It must be only mundane attraction since I am in material consciousness, I am projecting my polluted consciousness onto what I perceive the spiritual world to be.
So I am giving up believing I have any sort of relationship that I have already become aware of. As far as I am concerned, and this is the truth, I don't know what postion if any I will have in Vrndavana. I can only hope to become a particle of dust at Krishna's lotus feet, and what more could any living entity ask for in my position? Being puffed up and offensive I thiought I could offend Krishna and His devotees because I imagined I had a relationship of servitude toward Radharani but I don't. I am the second greatest offender on the planet, since I can't be the most anything. So now I am changing my name to...
Krishnadust!
I have only myself to blame. I read a book once a long time ago, called the Uddhava Sandesh, and it gave me the feeling I could become a blade of grass to be trampled on by the gopis. But am I equal to Uddava? No. Just because he is that qualified doesn't mean I am ever going to be.
Similarly all of the gopis and sakhis and manjaris are expansions of Srimati Radharani, aren't they? What makes me hink I will ever be qualified to be one of them? For that matter why am I drawn to serving Radharani instead of Krishna? It must be only mundane attraction since I am in material consciousness, I am projecting my polluted consciousness onto what I perceive the spiritual world to be.
So I am giving up believing I have any sort of relationship that I have already become aware of. As far as I am concerned, and this is the truth, I don't know what postion if any I will have in Vrndavana. I can only hope to become a particle of dust at Krishna's lotus feet, and what more could any living entity ask for in my position? Being puffed up and offensive I thiought I could offend Krishna and His devotees because I imagined I had a relationship of servitude toward Radharani but I don't. I am the second greatest offender on the planet, since I can't be the most anything. So now I am changing my name to...
Krishnadust!
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Unsu...
Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:12 PMI am feeling weak now and feel like I'm going to cry. I don't wish to give up serving Srimati Radharani. I knew I didn't. Let me read the Uddhava Sandesh again, maybe there is hope for me still! -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:13 PMNo! This is just being a sahajiya
! A pterebnder! I am fallen and uselsss! What good is ny life>? O krishna! -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:15 PMOh my heart! ouch! My attachments they're breaking@1111 I need to cultivate serving Krishna but it is like poison! I have not attachment for serving Him. -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:16 PMHre skariahna Hareaka rkaiha Kariaha kariah Hare ahZ rah
Har Raja Hara Ramja a ara'm ar j'arma aH arha Hr ahr -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:17 PMMy offensive chanting doesn't help! I am chanting but I haven't given up my material attachments! Idont' chant attentively! Who can give me guidance now?!@! -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:18 PMO Radha! Save me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 6:18 PMBut waiot! I ama supposed to pray to Krishna! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!! -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:18 AMNo, I am not attached to Radharani. I was just reading about some of the actual gopis and their dealings with her. I don't have any actual attachment for either her or Lord Krishna. We cannot jump ahead of where we are artificially. Sorry to all the devotees I did not mean to offend anyone. -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:41 AMu need medication.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 11:08 AMManu I was just imitating the sahajiyas over at a website that no longer is active and I still haven't changed my method of trying to show them the fault in their logic. At least the website closed down, perhaps I had something to do with it, because it was filled with sahajiyas and I was acting like one too but one who liked ISKCON instead of rejecting ISKCON for something "higher" coming from either the Math's or some Brijabasi's whatever.
Don't be so judgemental.
Besides you may have noticed I am trying to wean myself off of being a sahajiya in my online persona anyway. I'm finished with being a sahajiya, that is why I apologized. Now I am trying to be a regular devotee of (I hate to say it)Krishna! instead of Radharani. Give us sahajiya's a break, it's hard for us to not think of ourselves as gopis once we think we are. Serving Krishna instead of Radharani starts to look like drinking poison.
In fact it is. Talking to you makes me wish to take shelter of Srimati Radharani and the gopis even more, if you are what a devotee of Krishna is like.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 11:47 AMSorry Manu it is not my own pride but pride in Radharani that made me speak that way to you.
From Ujjvala Nilmani:
Once Lalita overheard Padma say: O Nandhimuki, now is the time for Radharani and Candravali to compete. Now we shall see who is better.
Lalita immediately emerged from behind the forest cteeper and angrily addressed Padma: The glory of radharani's gloryWnd victory dominates the entire universe. Who in Vraja mandal can compete with Her? O padma, it is only because Her heart melts with compassion for you wretches that you are able to serve krishna for even a moment. -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:23 PMK-rama,
We really do understand how attached you are to the cowherd community. I, myself, do not reccommend medication, unless of course Manu was referring to the maha-mantra:
Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Other medications are not gonna help our friend K-rama. What he needs is one huge dose of Bhakti and at least a glimpse of the glimmering dust of the gopis. Anything else would probably only lead him into the arms of Maya, which I personally would like to avoid seeing happen to him, at all costs. Behold, he don't want that! He's crying for the gopis, so please, don't encourage some other cure for his madness.
Since when is it a crime to obsess over gopis like Radha, Visakha, Citra etc? These are our group leaders. We shouldn't TRY and feel thier sentiments, but if the kid can't help it, what's the harm? -
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I'm sorry Manu
Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:49 PMI like Brinda's advice, I need to hear more attentively. I just looked at the Ujjal Nilamani today and was so amazed to see what was inside! True I read it before but the more we learn about the residents of Vrndavana the more it makes sense to us when we go back and re-read a book about them that we read before. Like I was saying, when I first read that Lalita Devi wrote the Hamsaduta I didn't really understand what I was reading. Now I read it again and realised she wrote a letter to Krishna called the Hamsaduta. Lalita is one of Srimati Radharani's messengers and was acting in that capacity when she wrote the letter and Rupa Goswami wrote it as a book called the Hamsaduta. The first time I read about it I might have said it would be nice to read the book but now I can't wait to read it! And the Ujjal Nilmani? I'm so glad I have it! It's just waiting on the bookshelf for me to read. Krishna has given me such nice books to read He is very kind to this fallen conditioned soul.
Manu, you are much more advanced than I am. You never act upon lusty desires, I don't think you even have any. Maybe the next time you are on the altar you could ask Krishna to set me free from maya's clutches for me, ok please? Thank you prabhu, Haribol.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:58 AM>>u need medication.
Exactly what I was thinking. This is obviously 'bhakti' who got booted off of tribe for her/his offensive/psychotic behavior once already. I wonder how long this incarnation lasts....... -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:34 AMi kno austin....
and brinda (who i and many others think is possibly the same person as kraborama / bhakti / gopidust or any other aliases) i did NOT mean to only chant the maha mantra. please do not assume to interpret for others what i mean or meant. it is not necessary, i am quite capable to do this myself.
if a person needs obvious medical attention / medication it is not only the mahamantra that will help. please, wake up. and any devotee who only recommends just chanting to relieve mental illness, as u have is guilty of the most gravest offense, u are not actually doing vaisnava seva but aparadha. if u cant see this, then u have much spiritual maturity to acquire.
u ask whats the harm? the harm is your subtle endorsment / encouragement of behaviour that is disturbed. ppl that need help, need help.
you are what we call an enabler.
i shouldnt even be responding to posts as inane as this, but its important for someone to represent the devotee community in an intelligent and sane fashion. it is ppl like u, that give us bad names. that sickens most of us FYI.... -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 10:14 AMI did NOT get booted off of tribes as Brinda! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 10:15 AMOr any other name for that matter, and I am not Brinda either! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 10:23 AMWhat's the matter, can only pure devotees post on tribes now? Are you worried that someone might get the wrong idea of Krishna Consciousness if they hear from me? Well I know my association is very contaminating, thanks for coming in here and straightening this mess all out that I have made. It's too bad that I am so contaminated that nothing I can do in this entire lifetime will ever enable me to become qualified to be able to go online. I can only guess that going online is higher than chanting the Hare Krishna mantra since noone said I wasn't able to do that!
Why not tell me to stop reading books I'm obviously not qualifed to understand? Wouldn't that make a little bit of sense to someone besides me? I never should have started reading the books in the first place, they were way over my level and due to my offenses I have become a sahajiya, it is as simple as that. Now I will apparently remain contaminated indefinately, and you send me away from the internet, my only hope of association with devotees here out in the middle of nowhere. Thanks!~ -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:21 AMI take it as the highest compliment that you think I'm Radharama, although I must decline and say, no, I'm a different devotee. I didn't even like the guy when I started off on tribes (tho I secretly did), and he was following me around, mocking everyone by pretending to think ISCKON was higher than Gaudiya Matha. These types of sectarian divisions are very prominent in our movement. At some point something *clicked* and I realized I was judging the highest teacher, just because he was different.
Far as I'm concerned, the only person making an offense is the one criticizing devotees. All Radharama is guilty of is being obsessed with Radharani. Others, who don't feel what he's feeling, are quick to judge this.
Manu, I wouldn't reccommend siding with Austin on this matter, who has been publicly ridiculing Srila Prabhupada and kicking vaisnava women and children from sites like Ramayana, only for quoting Prabhupada. That's why half of his Ramayana crew joined the other Rama site.
On the other hand, I would highly recommend listening to the nectarian words of Radharama, who happens to be an ocean of mercy to those who with pure hearts. I've noticed that many devotees have begun to understand his complex teachings, and I invite the rest of you to open your hearts and minds.
Lastly, when the chanting of the mahamantra is done, all secondary activities are covered. No one is allowed to glorigy Radharani who is impure. Have faith in the names and give up criticizing just because you don't understand something. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:01 PMbrinda now im convinced that you are the same person- u made the mistake of calling it "tribes" as did radharama- someone who speaks english wouldnt make that mistake- let alone 2 PEOPLE make the mistake of referring to "getting kicked off of TRIBES" instead of saying getting kicked off tribe.
and please do not advise me to not side with austin (regardless of his dislike for prabhupada) if a devotee is wrong, they are wrong. whether its austin, or the devil himself, i would side with them if they were right.
and ur mutual and blatant glorification of one another makes it onvious that u are one and the same.
tell me, who else on tribe makes like 8-10 posts by him / herself? and have the odd interjection from urslef, but not always.....
ur both nuts. some sort of pseudo-devotional co-dependancy. i repeat u give devotees a bad name. most of us are normal and are not out to "change" others minds and "save" others from the dangers of being a sahajiya. u both are, so help each other. the rest of us are not soo worried about such things, we are too busy chanting and doing service and other tangible and beneficial things for society.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:09 PMshould read *obvious* in the last post.
and y is it that neither of u have ever had pics of urself in ur profiles? gurl please.... EVERYONE puts up pics of themselves. u get me? EVERYONE. it also helps future friends know who we are dealing with. soooo many trolls out there, dont u find?
so prove me wrong and post some of ur initiation? ur profile says ur 26 and from LA, lets see some pics of ur diksha, c'mon now share with the class....
and this applies to u kraborama / radharama (a completely speculated name i might add) show us some pics!
pathetic.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:04 AM>>I did NOT get booted off of tribes as Brinda! (I mean * Bhakti!)
So you just display the exact same neurotic behavior and talk about the exact same things? Hmm..........
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:18 AMaustin you say you are everything from Brahma to a blade of grass but you don't know that I never got kicked off of tribes? I suggest you meditate on yourself some more. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:38 AMBrinda has a pure heart so she thinks others do also who really don't. That is her girlish nature. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:26 PMI am not trying to save the world from sahajiyas, that's Radharamas gig. I came here to preach simple things, which i would like to continue to do. However, I do have one thing in common with Radharama, which is the complicated fact that I am obsessed with the union/separation moods of Sri Sri Radha and Krsna, and whenever I get any excuse, I ramble my confusion and utter amazement at it. It may be "wrong" but the urge is so strong that it overshadows all other things.
In reality, what I would like to discuss on here is how to be more pure and what is the correct way to practice Bhakti. Perhaps it's true that myself and Radharama are bad influences on each other. In fact, I get the feeling all the time that the entire world would much rather see us parted than together, so don't feel special. You are one a million. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:28 PMopps I mean, *one in a hundred zillion katrillion. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:46 PMIt is only a co-incidence that Brinda and I have never ever posted anything simultaneously at the same time, and that we don't use our real pictures, and we both like gopi bhava stuff. Get over it Manu. You are just angry because I exposed how much you are attracted to women one time which is also blatantly obvious to everyone.
If Brinda and I don't want anyone to know our real devotee names, whether initiated or not, then why are you trying to drag that information from us? I have to stick up for her though and say that I am not her at all. I think you know that already you are just playing the devil's advocate. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:47 PMAnd I don't know what they teach up in Canada but the plural of tribe is tribes. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:56 PMI would be willing to post something at the exact same time as you Radh, if you think of a way to time it. -
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Unsu...
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:07 PMOk Brinda, at exactly ten after let's both post something at the same time. Do you receive me?
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:06 PMWhy do I post multiple times? Because I just noticed even Tribe says I am in three "tribes". Are they breaking the rules of proper English? Don't you have any friends who are as advanced as you are that you like to relate to in Tribe? I'm not saying Brinda is fallen but I am so if I can get some of her good association why should I be criticised for not being up to the highest standard of prema-bhakti? Are you implying that only someone who speaks on the level of an uttama adhikari should be allowed to speak on Tribe? Then I really don't understand why you tolerate someone who blasphemes Srila Prabhupada and tries to kick out the devotees unless you yourself feel above Prabhupada and the neophyte devotees like me. You must really think yourself to be highly elevated! No wonder you don't become agitated while instructing women on what type of sari to choose and how to match up their jewelry and how to even wear their saris. Isn't that what you posted some time back, that women come to you for such advice? Why you just don't educate your wife a little so she can instruct the women who go to you for advice I don't know, unless you just know volumes of information that would take her years to learn. You must be quite the authority on women's clothing and how to dress. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:09 PMOk it must be around 8 or 9 after...
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:10 PMBrinda! Now they are going to think I am you?1 where were you? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:13 PMBriiiiiiiiiiindaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??????????????????
Where aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrre Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu??????????????
Haribol??????????????????????? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:18 PMOh Brinda, feeling your the absence of your separation a moment of time feels like twelve years or more, tears are falling from my eyes, and I am feeling all vacant in the world in your absence.
LOL
Maybe we can try for half past the hour?
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:19 PMOkay, at zactly 2:25, me and radh are going to try an experiment. We're going to post at the exact same time. Hope our clocks match up. Ready? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:22 PMI'm just going to bombard this thing starting from about one minute before to one minute after. Hope this please Mr. Manu.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:21 PMactually the plural of tribe is tribes, but not when used in the context of TRIBE, the network we all use.
and from a grammatical point of view, you would have had to say tribe and not tribes (plural)
i should have never posted here, a complete waste of time.
and what utter stupidity to mention that im soooo attracted to women by helping them put their sari and what jewels will go with them. in western society FYI this is not a problem, nor does it make one / me agitated, unless they are retarded.
and my wife does help other gurls with their sari, just as i do, it doesnt need to be just another woman, it just needs someone who isnt retarded.
i mean imagine, some of us can talk to ppl of the other sex without being attracted to them!
just leave tribe (notice the absence of the S again) and see someone who will help ur neuroses.
u will be receiving a letter from TOU guy soon....
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:23 PMI'm going to write to him too Manu you can count on that -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:23 PMWe're only trying to both post at the same time today, me and brinda, to please you -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:24 PMmaybe it will satisfy you when the tou guy says we are two different people -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:26 PMor does it take blasphemy of Prabhupada included to make you happy? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:27 PMHey what happened to Brinda? :P:LOL! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:28 PMWell at least we both posted something together at 2:22.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:27 PMMy clock said 2:25, when i posted at 2:22. But you'll notice that we both posted at 2:22, so happy new year to you to!
Did Manu really call the cops on you, and for what? Because he has a differing opinion? I mean honestly, what did anyone really do wrong? I guess Manu's ego is getting in the way of our hari-katha. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:29 PMWell I am going to complain about him big time you can count on that and right away! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:30 PMNight Brinda, I don't know if I will come back on later. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:32 PMHow do we register a complaint? Anybody know besides Manu and his Prabhupada hating buddy?
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:33 PMWhat did he tell the guy? "These kids keep coming on Radha tribe and talking everyone's ears off about Radha and Krsna!"
"Nobody else really posts anything, so when we get a load of posts about the gopis, we know it's those damn kids!"
"Officer, they talk about topics that are too high! We only want to hear about chanting, but they tell us things Lalita and Visakha said, and it hurts our ears!" -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:34 PM"He keeps on crying out to Radharani, so we think he should be REMOVED from tribes FOREVER!"
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:35 PM"Get your guns!! Arrest that kid! All he talks about is how much he wants to be a maidservant!" -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:37 PM"IT"S OFFENSIVE to cry out the names of the gopis! Silence him before he saves the world from the throes of maya!"
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:38 PMI know what i will do. When I get the complaint through the tos guy I will just explain to him what happened and all about mr. dress up his godsisters Manu. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:48 PMDid you report me too Manu? To the cops Manu? That's a no-brainer, just tell them I used an improper plural on *tribe* (S). And what's worse, it wasn't even my own mistake. I copied my friends grammatical error, so it's doubly treacherous. I think I'm going to lose everything I've worked hard for my whole life now. Damnit! I swear I'll never do it again officer! From now on, I'll call it "TRIBE" only, and NOONE will know I was a previous offender! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 2:52 PMOh no! Now everyone knows I'm really my friend, Radharama, because I slipped up and said "noone" publicly! Just like he says!
Actually, that's fine w me. If they think I'm my friend, then I must have done something SO RIGHT! I love you, RADHARAMA!!! This is what they need to get: HOW CAN WE BE ONE PERSON AND HAVE THIS MUCH LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER? what a joke. Nobody loves themselves like this much! Wake up and smell the coffee people! This love could never be faked! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 5:05 PMOh! No one is not like anyone or someone it is two words! Now I know, one word is wrong! Thanks for telling me Krishna's darling. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 5:06 PMOh I shouldn't have called you Krishna's darling, sorry. You might be His wife or a cowherd boyfriend or a cow. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 6:22 PMAnyone would be happy to be called Krsna's darling!
Don't let anyone make you paranoid. If the cowherd community is real for you on a level, let em be real! And if others are jealous of that or even if they just don't understand it, cry out to the gopis anyway. They are bound to hear you if you do it with heart. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:21 PMNow a post for Manu. I understand why you think Brinda and I might not be initiated. It appears that way since you have repeatedly challenged me anyway to prove I was. But what I can't understand is why YOU are so proud of your initiation? I saw on another tribe where just today you are saying that the Indians who are trying to offer you pujas are full of "Sh*t" and you called the Indians "Bast*rds". What kind of brahmana are you? No wonder you don't care if Srila Prabhupada is offended or any other devotees. Who exactly do you think you are? Who is your guru to allow you to say things like this and then charge people for shiva pujas and wedding ceremonies and so on? I hope you do not do these things in the temple, or do you disregard Srila Prabhupada's teachings on that, like you rationalize that Westerners are not agitated by sex? Indian men and women are less agitated in my experience when it comes to separation of the sexes, but it is a Vedic concept that men should not even think of women other than their wives, I would like to see where Srila Prabhupada made an exception for Westerners. Did he say men in the West can be saree salesmen? Do you measure the women's breasts for cholis when your wife isn't around, or doesn't know about it? Do the Indian congregational members who pay you for pujas know what you really think of people in India, that they are full of sh*t and are bast*rds, your own words today at another tribe? Please enlighten me as to who your guru is I would like to write him a letter myself. What is his or her email address? Thanks. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:01 PMOr else maybe a letter/email to the Montreal website/temple president would be in order? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:02 PMI'm sure they would like to know about how YOU are representing ISKCON the way it ought to be.
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 6:21 AMhahaha u really are a messed up individual. my guru is HH Bhaktimarga swami, based in Toronto, a word of advice, you might want to use your real identity. He is abusy man and would not waste his time with your non-sense. I am fortunate that he appreciates my qualities and the type of devotee i am.
and as u mentionned in the india tribe that u are now flaming, u did NOT read the entire conversation, maybe if u would have u would understand that the "poor bastards" i was referring to were the men who try to cheat u in india, the same goes for those who talk shit (very much like u do) about tieing a rakhi on u and trying to take ur money. they are talking shit. get it?
i have never said indians in general are bastards, do not try and put words in my mouth or insinuate things that are no where to be found, ppl reading these posts are more intelligent than u obviously give them credit for, they can obviously understand what intent is. my words were used in context and i stand by them, unless of course ur understanding of english is limited.
and please, ur pathetic threats of trying to contact my guru or the montreal temple president (her name is medhya devi dasi if it should help u in ur reports of me) are foolish to say the least. go ahead, contact them, i am not fearful of losing "my position" in iskcon. i am not THAT proud of it ;) who on earth would take u seriously?
and btw, i have never charged for a wedding. nor have i taken the measurements for a choli of a woman (where did u invent that from?), the whole community knows me and appreciates the fact that i can help them with vaisnava dress :) whether man or woman. and my wife adores that i can help ppl with their dhoti or sari, it comes from being a pujari and knowing how to drape fabric, but i digress.....
the moderator of this tribe and TOU have been notified and so ur obvious attempts to discredit me will inevitably stop :)
be well, for ur time here is limited.
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:24 PM>>austin you say you are everything from Brahma to a blade of grass but you don't know that I never got kicked off of tribes?
I also say I'm "Just an amature sadhaka". I won't disrespect this tribe, or waste my time, by trying to explain it to you.
Hari Aum Tat Sat!
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:13 AMI see you two are almost like a team now.
Well, I'm not afraid to say that I for one am very happy to have the association of Brinda and Radharama. They post a lot of interesting topics, show more initiative than others. As moderator of my own tribes, I will take this up with the TOU guy. People's personal interests should not be coming in the way of the devotional practices we are learning about here. I have known Austin to kick my self, personally, off tribe for quoting Srila Prabhupada. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!!! He loved Radha and Krsna so much that he dedicated his life to them! -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:50 AMand knowing this cintamani, u condone their posts to me? u think that it is proper vaisnava acara? the threatening emails i have receieved from "brinda", that told me if i emailed TOU guy id better watch out? u think this is fine?
have u at all read this post? with both of them trying to insinuate that im some sort of letcher? that i consider indians bastards? then mocking my being brahmana initiated, and pasting conversations from other tribes on TRIBE to try misquote and misrepresent me?
and regardless of austins opinion of prabhupada (which i OBVIOUSLY dont share seeing as how i serve in iskcon) ppl can state opinions as long as they are not slanderous or trying to defame someone ON tribe. i have not done this, he (austin) has not done this. but brinda and radharama / kraborama / bhakti / gopidust has. the proof that they are the same person is that in the posts below the bring up past arguments from when they were posing as another alias. just read it its there.
so done here.
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 10:37 AMOh Bhaktmarga Swami! Thank you! I feel SO ecstatic now! How dare you use words like sh*t and bast*ards that I cannot even repeat and then justify yourself as being a brahmana? You really don't have any idea of what being a brahmana means do you? Does your guru use these words? Did Prabhupada? I am going to print your conversation word for word just as you posted all of the above and send it to your guru. It doesn't matter what you think of me, or whether I have a guru or not. You say you are representing ISKCON and speak like this at your tribes? Yes I put an s on the end, tribes!
I talk a lot that is not flaming. Flaming is what you are doing to me, accusing me of things repeatedly that I am not guilty of, telling me I don't have any right to be on Tribe, singular this time. Saying Brinda and I are one and the same, what kind of paranoia is that? And while I'm at it I may as well make another copy for the nice temple president in Montreal. This is not some threat, if you are proud of using those words sh*t and bast*rd why do you mind me sending proof to your authorities? You say they won't either listen to me or believe me well I'll let those pages speak for themselves. They can look at the pages and if you deny what is printed on them they can have someone look it up on Tribe for them. I sincerely hope you wouldn't lie to your guru. I saw on another Tribe that it is ok to print what is written on Tribe there is no copywrite. But if that is not true I won't do it from a printer.
Since you are criticising me you must feel that you yourself aren't doing the same thing wrong, misrepresenting ISKCON. I think you are, it's as simple as that and so I am going to write to your guru to ask him to get you to stop doing your nonsense. If you think you are doing nothing wrong you have a big surprise coming. I only wish I could be there to hear you get chastised from your guru. LOL! Like I said if you think you aren't doing anything wrong you shouldn't be afraid so this is not a threat, this is just my idea of how to show you the error of your ways like you were trying to show me mine. The difference is I admit my formula for preaching is full of faults, but you seem to think your sh*t don't stink you bast*rd! (To quote the words you use.) -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 10:40 AMJust read your last post again Manu, and as far as slandering Srila Prabhupada that's ok because he is not ON Tribe, is that the gist of what you are trying to say? That you can tolerate insults to your grand spiritual master. I'll be sure to include that in my letter to HH Bhaktimarga Swami. O Yeah! -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 10:46 AMI beg for peace and tranquility !!!.
Maya is at work.
I , you , them ...... all are manifestations of entity we crave for dearly...
( Mind is cunning; Mind is escapist ; mind is malefic ; mind is never satisfied )
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:08 AMHmmm..... I wonder if this Medhya Devi Dasi is really his wife? Glad you are so proud of yourself in front of your guru, usually disciples take on a humbler mood in front of their spiritual master. Serving the Deities isn't that great of a position? I forgot how you put it but one that you are not afraid to lose? Too bad, some pujaris actually feel a little attachment for the Deities. At least you like doing Shiva pujas anyway, you'
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:12 AMLooking back you didn't say you were afraid of losing your position because you wouldn't be able to serve the Deities, you just said you weren't THAT proud of it. So all you are not worried about losing is your BIG position is that it? Must be a shortage of pujaris there in Montreal. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 12:20 PMJust one last post. I hate to look like a troll, or like I'm flaming, that is not my purpose at all. I had to write all this in order to work out a plan. And that plan is simply to let the proper authorities know what you are doing in the name of Krishna Consciousness, while trying to boot me off of Tribe. I honestly believe you will be surprised by what your guru has to tell you in regards to calling living entities who happen to be born in candala families in India "bast*ards" and full of sh*t and not worthy of giving any money to when they are begging because they only come from Bihar Province and not Vrndavana or Mayapura when they are women engaged in chanting and singing about God at the temples all day and night or whatever the situation is. This does not represent Krishna Consciousness as I know it so I'm glad to be in the happy position of helping to correct your misunderstandings. A devotee sees all other living entities as serving Krishna more than he does, not the other way around.
I hope you're not the devotee in charge of opening your guru's mail.
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 3:03 PMIt saddens me because all I wrote in a letter to Manu is, "Your barking up the wrong tree." He then asked me if I were threatening him, and I said, "No, that's not what I meant."
People have so much pride these days that they would rather try and make it get ugly than to admit they are wrong.
Personally, I only wish to continue preaching on tribe, especially with my friend Radharama, without others freeking out over the fact that we are talking pretty in-depth about the gopis. Manu don't spoil our picnic just because Radharama has a lot of female devotee friends or whatever is bugging you. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 3:08 PMAnd Manu, I haven't said one word against you, not one of your accusations holds a drop of water. I think I asked you up above somewhere whether you had called the cops on Radharama and why, but you haven't responded to that. Prior to your attack on Radharama's existence on tribe (threatening him) yesterday, what is your grudge? I really like to know. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 5:38 PMJust to let manu know, I haven't gotten into any trouble so if I don't I won't be angry enough to send off the letters I had planned to send off if I had gotten kicked out. Manu has a point, I am lower than stool so of course he doesn't want to see me posting anything on Tribe that someone might take to have been written by a devotee. As one acharya said if you even hear my name you will lose all your pious credits and go to the hellish planets? Naturally he hates someone like me, since he is so pure.
So two female devotees have stuck up for me, that's nice. Maybe Manu thinks I am all three personalities or maybe Brinda thinks because I used the word "breasts" instead of "bustline" as something to measure I am really a man instead of a woman but I don't care. If people think I am a man they won't try to figure out who I really am. I am not a strict temple devotee or even do I live in a temple community so there is no use in trying to figure out who I am in order to try to embarass me in front of my superiors. Unlike Manu, who is very well respected by all the Vaishnava community and his guru I am not so I am constantly in fear of Lord Krishna kicking me out of the temple nearest me if I ever do get to go to one anyway. So thanks for letting up on me Manu, my printouts are hidden safely away. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 5:47 PM*print outs
Now I'm off to the strip club where I work at night in order to make a lot of money.
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:38 PMHi Austin,
I think you are right in saying it's the same person. They are just getting you on a technicality that they unsubscribed rather than getting booted off. But notice that they don't deny they are the same person.
I think this is also the same person I talked to a while back that admitted they used intoxicants. From the behavior it fits.
To me it is a reinforcement of Srila Prabhupada's warnings not to try to quickly jump up to rasa lila but to follow strictly the principles of devotional service. The over time one will become purified.
I know you and I have disagreed on ideology in the past but I will say that perhaps one who actually practices discipline in their pursuance of impersonalist ideology might be better off than one who says they are a personalist and hardly makes any attempt to follow the process as outlined by authorities. If one commits offenses in the practice of devotional service that is not ideal. One should aspire to give up offenses. In the time of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura the Vaisnava tradition had fallen in to disrepute because of the activities of cheaters that didn't follow the discipline given by actual authorities but manufactured their own concoction of a process of self realization. This current day person who is changing their name and posting all kinds of emotional gibberish is following in the footsteps of the sahajiyas of Bhaktivinoda Thakura's time, IMO. As Manu has said he/she is not representative of the actual Vaisnava traditition. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:23 AMNamaskara Makhanchor,
Don't worry, I don't think of Bhakti/Radharama or any other of his/her friends/personalities as typical Gaudiyas or typical of any other Vaisnava tradition.
I'm know for a fact that he/she had her/her offenses reported enough to get kicked off. But perhaps he/she unsubscribed before they actually carried it out.
Are you still calling me an impersonalist? If so, please don't. Never was, never will be.
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 8:41 AMAu: "Are you still calling me an impersonalist? "
No my comment was just a general one in favor of actually following a path as opposed to defining oneself in a certain way and then doing any old thing.
As Krsna says in the Bhagavad Gita "He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination." (16.22) -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 9:47 AMOkay, cool. It's just that you used it immediately after mentioning our past difference that made me think so. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 11:11 AMOk Makhanchora Prabhu, I had a question I was going to ask either you or someone who isn't a sahajiya(hate to get into anything deep here but I have to ask somewhere). Can you please explain how material and spiritual separation are completely different? I can try to look it up in the Nectar of Devotion if you don't. Just for the record I tried to prove I was not the same person as Brinda I don't know how else to do it unless I have access to two different computers at the same time and I'm running back and forth typing things in pretending to be talking to each other when it's really me the whole time, and no it wasn't me who was taking intoxication, I don't even know who that was.
What you don't understand is that I want to give up my sahajiyistic tendencies I really do, but since I have become contaminated and most likely like you say due to offences to everyone I really have no taste for serving Lord Krishna at all NEITHER DO I WANT TO DEVELOP THAT TASTE. I only want to serve Radharani. Since I wish to enjoy the female potency instead of serving the male potency, purusa, I don't know what will become of me. Probably a long stint in thousands of the various hellish planets. It's easy for you to say just worship Krishna and I can give the same advice but time after time I have fallen back down to desiring to worship Radharani so now I am stuck, I can't back bounce to trying to serve Krishna anymore. What started out as a joke has become a major problem. Maybe there is an article written by a guru who can expose me to myself so I can become free from being a sahajiya. Oh yes, I forgot, I already have a book by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta that always fixes me up immediately as I read it. It is called Prakrta Rasa Shata Dushini, A Hundred Warnings Against Mundane Mellows. At least I can be saved. Sorry to everybody else who doesn't have the book who I contaminated, if there is anyone out there.
Waiting for your answer Prabhu,
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 11:14 AMI'm being blamed for every name on the internet!
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:15 PMI'm not going to get in to a long discourse with you. I dont have the time. The definitional difference between what is spiritual and what is material is that one is done for my own sake and pleasure and one is done for the pleasure of Krsna with love. You dont want to serve Krsna. I don't know how you expect that to put you in Radha's good graces but that is between you and her.
You also mispeak when you say you want to enjoy Radha. That may be your desire, and it may be good that you are honest enough to state it candidly. But those who want to enjoy Krsna's energy do not gain access to Radha. Radha's deputy Maya or Durga is there for them. In the same way that Ravana never gained access to Sita similarly one with a materialistic mentality to enjoy does not gain access to Radha. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 1:02 PMMakhankhor, you are wrong. I am not Radharama. You should know that, for you were around for the whole scene when we met, and I had a problem with him following me around. I used to write to you all the time. Don't you remember? Fortunately I came to my senses, for I saw things in a completely different light and began to glorify him. Seemed strange? Well, I can tell you one thing, my problem isn't the fact that I delved into the high topics too soon, I know you'd like to put me in that box. Care to guess again? -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 1:27 PMBrinda, you say that I am wrong and then you confirm that radharamana is the same person as the one who was following you around, which was my exact point. I do remember and it is the same person, under a new screen name. This is the third screen name that this same person has adopted in the year or so I've been on tribe.
The funny thing is that at a certain point if one wants to find her posts all one will have to do is go to a Radha tribe and look for posts by "unsubscribed" and if they sound like a mentally unstable person...bingo!! All of her screen names have become unsubscribed in due course. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 2:52 PMYeah, obviously our dear friend Radharama has changed his name at times, but I am not him, which is my point. I met him here on Radha tribe, and I stand behind the fact that he is an exalted devotee, reguardless of the fact that people misunderstand his teachings. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 5:17 PMBrinda Mahkanchora is philosophically correct of course. I hate to instruct you but he is. I stumbled across a beautiful verse today. I don't know if it is relevant to anything but here it is, from the Caitanya Caritamrta Adi Lila Chapter 13 text 39: Lord Chaitanya now taught everyone to taste the transcendental mellow ecstacy of love of Krishna by tasting it himself. A person who is advanced in Krishna Cosnciousness always feels separation from Krishna. Lord Chaitanya taught how, with a feeling of separation one can develop his dormant love of Krishna. These feelings develop in time when a person seriously engages in devotional service.
I deserve to be kicked off tribe, not for flaming or harassing or whatever the rules are, but just because I don't know the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness. Unfortunately for the pure devotees online that is not necessarily grounds for being kicked out of Tribe. But that is why they obviously hate me and have no mercy on me. They know for certain that once one becomes a sahajiya there is no hope for that person, and they don't have the time to try and get me back on the correct path.
I'm not worried for myself, I can save myself by reading the words of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, but what about others? Perhaps it is up to me to "defeat myself", which is so easily done armed with the right book of knowledge. I guess I have enough time I just don't want to type in an entire book. Maybe I can find a link to it somewhere so other sahajiyas can read it for themselves, it is extremely purifying and enlightening, the book I read.
Brinda you have become contaminated by a cheater, so being an innocent person you fell for it. You thought I was advanced in spirituality because that is what I wanted you to think. I thought it would be better to talk about Krishna online someplace on Tribe than nowhere at all. And you were the person I noticed who seemed most active in wanting to go around and do it.
All I ever asked for was to be soundly defeated when I presented my bogus philosophy. I guess that is extremely difficult to do, so that is why I am so glad I have the book of His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. -
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 28, 2007 - 12:25 PMYes, Makhanchkor is right philosophically, pretty much all the time, and that's why we all look up to him as a vedic scholar. He's also a good devotee and promotes his Guru nicely.
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Re: I'm sorry Sridama.
Wed, February 28, 2007 - 12:26 PMBut friend, I would like to know, you know I'm not Radharama, don't you?
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